Showing posts with label Class A. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Class A. Show all posts

Thursday, November 10, 2011

Buying an RV - Frightening or Fulfilling?

If you have never attended a large RV show or visited a mega RV dealer you are in for a big surprise. The first thing you’ll notice right off is, “There are so many choices, where do I begin?” Did you know this is the number one reason why people put off buying a RV? They are overwhelmed with all the choices and become frustrated, don’t let this happen to you!

The second biggest reason people decide not to buy an RV is that they don’t know who they can trust. It’s not uncommon to hear your RV salesperson say something like, “This manufacturer builds the best models".  After you have visited a number of dealers it’s like a broken record.  Everybody thinks their brands are the best in the industry.  Here's a typical line, "Four Winds has the BEST motorhomes.  There's a reason all of the rental RVs you see on the road are made by Four Winds.... Dependability!!"  By the way, we fell for this line and bought a Four Winds.  It turned out the reason they were on the road as rentals is because they are cheap, assembly line products.  Follow the dollar, and you'll almost always find the real answer.
Take your time...and Follow these Instructions:

1.  Decide what type of RV you want.   You can choose gas or diesel.  Diesel gives you better mileage, but a noisier unit and higher purchase price.   You can get the luxury of a Class A (with the great driving views) or the maneuverability of a Class C (but with less overall space).  Travel trailers can be intense to pull and wear the driver out.   We recently almost got hit with shrapnel from a trailer being pulled past us in a campground when the left wheels hit a big rock on a curve and tore off one of the tires and some of casing.  You can avoid the sway of trailers with a fifth wheel, where the weight of the trailer is over the truck's rear axle.  Just make sure you have enough power to pull it.   (As a note of interest, Bob's great-grandpa Bryant Olds invented the 5th wheel.)  Or you can go for the fun of a towable toy hauler.  The biggest question is:  "What do you want to do with your RV?"  If it's going to sit in a trailer park, a trailer could be ideal...especially since it's designed all on one level and easy to get in and out of.
 
This might be all you need, so why buy more?

We met a great couple laughing about how they bought this trailer
and "hid" it from the condo association in their garage.

Taj-ma-Winnebago
2.  Look at how different manufacturers compare to one another.  This may seem time consuming, but an RV is a big enough investment to merit doing your homework.  (Your mother would approve.)  Some top makers are Fleetwood, Winnebago, Monaco, National, Country Coach, Skyline, Forest River, R-Vision and Thor.  Don't rely on "looks" or floor plan to make your decision.  Get in a model and test how everything works.  We even set up the couch and table beds before buying.  Some buyers don't know you can (and should) test drive the unit.  Try driving into a shopping center to see how you like parking it and definitely get it on the freeway to hear how sound it is.

3.  Gather as much information as possible about the RVs under consideration.  Look at the special features, condition and any other important aspects of the RV that matter the most to you.  When comparing models, be sure to factor in any and all extra features.

4.  Check out the prices online and at lots for the model you are interested in.  You can look on ebay for completed sales or check Craigs List in different localities.  Prices in other states may surprise you.  We found the new model we wanted for $60,000 in Iowa that was selling for $90,000 in most every other state.  We called dealers across the country and found prices varied.  We thought Florida must have the best deal, but their prices were among the highest.   You may find an extraordinary price elsewhere, but you will forfeit the personal customer service from your seller.  We have had quite a few little problems with our 31K from Motor Sportland, but the salesman we bought through has taken care of every one of them...and even thrown in a free RV wash here and there. 

5.  Look at the tax burden or benefits that different models may bring you. Think of motor fuel tax, sales tax and individual income tax.  If you register your RV in a state other than your own for tax benefits, be careful.  We just moved to Florida but were given this advice by a tax attorney:  "If you still maintain a church membership in SLC, have burial plots in SLC, and all your children live in SLC, you should expect the SLC tax folks to argue that the external factors are inconsistent with your claimed move to Florida."

Planning Tip: Be consistent. If you claim you've left a state, don't go back to get a resident fishing or hunting license in your former home state.  We know of some hefty fines for doing this very thing! Ditto on library cards (hold one in the state in which you reside, not the state you moved out of), and so on.

One of the first steps in your state tax planning is to figure out the starting line. Which state currently thinks you live primarily there?  Learn the rules as to how you can end that tax relationship and keep detailed records supporting your tax home state.


Tax Reduction Planning Tip: Make sure you land in your new tax home. Perhaps your first stop should be in your new tax home state, where you spend enough time and set up enough connections to make it your new home state for income tax purposes. Buy burial plots (really!)   Join a church or lodge or other organization.  Go to the dentist.  Get a local library card.  Open a bank account and move your accounts.  Hire a CPA to handle your tax returns.

Planning Tip: Did we say to keep a log book?  Maintain a detailed and accurate calendar showing where you were, which days you worked and in which states.  Staple RV park receipts and receipts for gas and shopping to the calendar as they will prove where you were.  We have a folder of receipts from the first day we crossed into Florida. 

Your suggestions are welcome here.  I'm sure you're more experienced than I am and can help us all with the advice we need in this area.  Thanks for your help!

What's the BEST RV ??

Are you planning to buy a new or used RV?   Would you like to know which RV Manufacturers rate best?  What are the most popular selling models?   How much can you negotiate off MSRP with an RV dealer? 
It is essential to do some research before you buy. You can search the Internet for answers but many sites only provide basic specs about particular models and many are associated with an RV company or dealer and their ratings are biased in some way.

Our Beloved Mini Wini
Mike fixing the 31K's Slide
So let's look at some actual experiences, keeping in mind how you plan to use your RV.  Our first RV, a Class C Winnebago, was purchased just for travel, so we looked at mileage and the mechanical condition.  The owner had kept it garaged, so it looked great, and it only had 36,000 miles on it.  A common mistake with most new RV buyers is that the floor plan is the most important aspect in their RV purchase. It is estimated that over 90% of new RV buyers focus more on floor plans than anything else.   In contrast, most experienced or educated RV buyers focus on the chassis or frame, drive train, engine, suspension and exterior construction when selecting a particular RV model.  We confess, because we were going to live in our second (brand-new) RV, the floor plan was a major criteria.  We didn't look at the mechanics of this RV but just purchased a 6-year warranty program.  Mistake.  During our first months of ownership the slide kept breaking (always far-far from a dealership) and we noticed the coach wasn't put together well, moldings and trim weren't well attached, and because it wasn't built to the square, the table wouldn't change into a "safe" bed.  (You'd end up falling on the floor repeatedly through the night...quite a startling surprise!) 

Our 31K waiting its turn in The Shop

Bottom line - What’s underneath your motorhome, trailer or fifth wheel is the most important aspect and should take top priority in your decision process. Focusing on these important features will ultimately determine how satisfied you are with your purchase.
While we were in the shop on our son's birthday, 11/9/11, I spotted a Winnebago on the rack.  I told a mechanic I thought a Wini never failed.  He informed me, "All of the rigs end up on the rack at some time."  I couldn't accept that and asked around.  Know what?  All mechanics agree.  I had to accept that there is no perfect RV. 

I just noticed our new RV has an interesting statement I hadn't noticed, right outside the door: "Thor...America's Best RV Value"  Now I'm pumped to find out if our experiences with this coach are an exception to the rule.   What is the BEST RV?
My research led to the following list, in alphabetical order, of 10 RVs which received good reviews, based on consumer surveys at RV-Coach Online.

Airstream

Airstream, Inc. manufactures travel trailers that are easily recognized by their rounded aluminum exterior.  Airstream started building high-end, comfortable and luxurious travel trailers nearly 80 years ago, and they remain popular today.  When I was a kid my Dad loved to take us out on Sunday afternoons to lovingly look at Airstream models.  We never did more than admire them.  With 5 kids in the family the most we could afford was a Sunday treat of an ice cream cone on the way home.

Arctic Fox by Northwood Manufacturing

This company gets good marks at RV-Coaches.com in nearly every category listed on the survey, from interior and exterior design to handling on the road to overall value.  The company makes travel trailers, fifth wheels and cab-over campers that fit in a pickup bed.

Cardinal by Forest River

RVers appreciate the comfort and stylish interior of Cardinal travel trailers and fifth wheels, manufactured by Forest River, a Berkshire Hathaway company.  The units are available with two, three or four slide-outs.  The bunkhouse model includes a separate rear bedroom with twin bunk beds.

Fleetwood

Fleetwood RV builds motorhomes, including the familiar, mid-range diesel Bounder and top-of-the-line gas engine Pace Arrow, as well as the smaller, Class C Tioga.  While they don't get rave reviews, they do earn a pretty steady four stars on a scale of one to five (five being best) for comfort, appearance and quality at RV-Coach.com 

Newell Coach

Newell Coach gets very high marks for comfort and overall quality. Owners pay a premium price, in some cases, over $1 million, for the custom design and luxury built into each coach. Each numbered coach reflects the tastes and preferences of its owner. From the optional Murphy bed to the Sub-Zero refrigerator, RVing doesn't get any more elegant than this.

Newmar

Newmar Corporation builds a variety of fifth wheel coaches and toy haulers, as well as motorhomes. Models and prices range from the affordable Cypress fifth wheel to the Class A, diesel King Aire motorhome. Owners at RV-Coach.com like the comfort and appearance, inside and out (although they suggest there is a cost to maintain the units). The company is proud of their Amish craftsmanship and updated floor plans.

Nu Wa

Nu Wa Industries manufactures the very popular, four-season Hitchhiker fifth wheel coaches. In 2010, the company put in place a new marketing and sales model designed to take the stress and uncertainty out of the purchase process. Customers are invited to buy factory-direct, and owners applaud the manufacturer and dealer support they receive.

Tiffin Motorhomes

Tiffin Motorhomes is a family-run business that manufactures the popular Class A Allegro, mid-range Phaeton and high-end Zephyr motorhome models. Owners who completed the survey at RV-Coach.com say their coaches perform well on the road and deliver good overall quality.

Winnebago

Winnebago Industries sold its first motorhome in 1966 and they continue to produce Winnebago and Itasca models today. Owners at RV-Coach.com rate the coaches' overall quality and value as above average, although they do report challenges with reliability.
  
There are far more RV manufacturers than car manufacturers; use this competition to your advantage.  If you can't find the style and options you want at a price that you think is reasonable, keep looking.